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 Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2018 04:08 pm
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Joe Kelley


Joined: Mon Nov 21st, 2005
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"The Real III % of Idaho went to the Capitol for the express purpose of asking an elected official to explain the rationale behind consistently using his committee chair position to unilaterally kill Second Amendment bills without hearings; thus substantively subjugating the democratic process that is supposed to give Idahoans a voice on the issues that matter to them."

Misdirection? The method by which the people govern the government is the common law with trial by jury.

Electoral politics is by design a misdirection from the true law.

That was known, it might be a good idea to know that now.

The Athenian Constitution:
Government by Jury and Referendum
"The practice of selecting government officials randomly (and the Athenians developed some fairly sophisticated mechanical gadgets to ensure that the selection really was random, and to make cheating extremely difficult) is one of the most distinctive features of the Athenian constitution. We think of electoral politics as the hallmark of democracy; but elections were almost unknown at Athens, because they were considered paradigmatically anti-democratic. Proposals to replace sortition with election were always condemned as moves in the direction of oligarchy.
Why? Well, as the Athenians saw it, under an electoral system no one can obtain political office unless he is already famous: this gives prominent politicians an unfair advantage over the average person. Elections, they thought, favor those wealthy enough to bribe the voters, powerful enough to intimidate the voters, flashy enough to impress the voters, or clever enough to deceive the voters. The most influential political leaders were usually Horsemen anyway, thanks to their social prominence and the political following they could obtain by dispensing largesse among the masses. (One politician, Kimon, won the loyalty of the poor by leaving his fields and orchards unfenced, inviting anyone who was hungry to take whatever he needed.) If seats on the Council had been filled by popular vote, the Horsemen would have disproportionately dominated it — just as, today, Congress is dominated by those who can afford expensive campaigns, either through their own resources or through wealthy cronies. Or, to take a similar example, in the United States women have had the vote for over half a century, and yet, despite being a majority of the population, they represent only a tiny minority of elected officials. Obviously, the persistence of male dominance in the economic and social sphere has translated into women mostly voting for male candidates. The Athenians guessed, probably rightly, that the analogous prestige of the upper classes would lead to commoners mostly voting for aristocrats.
That is why the Athenians saw elections as an oligarchical rather than a democratic phenomenon. Above all, the Athenians feared the prospect of government officials forming a privileged class with separate interests of their own. Through reliance on sortition, random selection by lot, the Council could be guaranteed to represent a fair cross-section of the Athenian people — a kind of proportional representation, as it were. Random selection ensured that those selected would be representatives of the people as a whole, whereas selection by vote made those selected into mere representatives of the majority."

The 6th President of the United States of America during the time when the Federation was truly federal and the States were truly republics, warned about how the Constitution of 1789 was a recipe for oligarchy: which is not a power reserved by the people for the people to govern the government.

Independent Grand Juries are supposed to be populated by the most discrete and honest inhabitants in each county, and those representatives of the people are afforded all jurisdiction both civil and criminal, so as then to govern the government: to put on trial those who commit treasonous acts such as acts that infringe upon the moral right of the people to defend the people from criminals in government.

Why is this hard to see?