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|The KEY ISSUE for a|| Rating:
|Posted: Sun Dec 29th, 2013 05:57 pm||
|When the people in a country focus their defensive power so as to defend the most people from the most damaging criminals those defenders of Liberty will target the frauds who take over the legal money monopoly government power.
This MUST be understood because failure to understand this is a failure to finance any defensive effort anyone can act out in time and place.
In other words, in order to invent, produce, and maintain an effective defense against the organized criminal money monopoly power those defenders MUST employ their own accurate financing system.
In other words, the power to finance an effective defense cannot rely upon the power to convince the criminals to pay for their own destruction of their own criminal money tree.
How many other words can be used to convince the innocent victims (victims of the Legal Money Monopoly Fraud) that their power to defend themselves is stolen from them, and their former earnings are now being used to steal more of their earnings.
How about a quote from history?
Common Sense 1776
Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.
In other words, if the victims of crime made legal are going to find a way to defend themselves, those victims ought to consider the vital need to stop paying the criminals everything demanded so as to remain within that criminal organization.
How can the ISSUE of common law due process CONNECT with the ISSUE of Fraud Money made Legal?
This is my first effort to publicize a discussion between myself and Doug555 so as to help anyone else learn from our combined study on these pressing ISSUES.
1. COMMON LAW GRAND JURY
Due process of law in the competitive, adaptive, free market, voluntary form knowable as common law trial by jury; including the tried and true process in the form of voluntary common law grand jury reformation, maintenance, and finance.
2. LAWFUL MONEY
If there is only one LAWFUL MONEY, and it is a fraud in progress, then there is no LAWFUL MONEY, so it is past time to invent, produce, maintain, and finance competitive, effective, accurate, LAWFUL MONEY
How do those two ISSUES connect in time and place?
Please consider imagining a number of people who live in this country, each one of this group of people have names, and each one of this group are paid out of the same FUND.
Every single person in this group of people receive a monthly transfer of Legal Purchasing Power out of this same FUND.
Those transfers of that specific flow of POWER is meticulously documented as a matter of discoverable fact.
The transfers involve Federal Reserve Notes flowing from all the people who produce anything worth stealing, and that flow flows from those people into one FUND, which is The International Monetary FUND, and then from that FUND those people in that group are paid each month.
Now, please, you have 2 groups of people in this country to hold to an accurate accounting.
Those people receiving payments of Legal Purchasing Power from the International Monetary FUND, as payments denominated in Federal Reserve Notes
Those people paying into The International Monetary FUND because the people in this group produce anything worth stealing, and therefore that which is worth stealing is stolen, and that Purchasing Power backs the Legal Purchasing Power backing Federal Reserve Notes.
Welfare Recipients (Subsidized Labor), dishonest, destructive, wealth destroyers, receiving stolen property denominated in Federal Reserve Notes flowing from The International Monetary FUND.
Honest, productive, wealth creators, "Federal Income Tax Payers," providing the means by which we suffer, denominated in Federal Reserve Notes flowing into, backing, the Legal Purchasing Power of The International Monetary FUND.
Those who produce anything worth stealing are made to pay into The FUND, and then those who work to make sure that The FUND remains in business use those funds to hire more, and more, and more, subsidized laborers who do the dirty work.
Those who are in Group 1 operate under a system by which the most evil among them will receive the highest pay rate, and they pay themselves in Gold, and they buy World Wars.
They cannot buy anything if they no longer have Group 2 convinced of the need to use that Fraudulent Money Supply.
They buy Gold for two reasons:
Make sure that their victims have no Gold; because Gold is a competitive form of money, and therefore their victims don't have a competitive form of money.
Store their stolen Power to Purchase, as they know that their Federal Reserve Note Fraud Money is only as valuable as their victims imagine into being, which is a false trust, so the "trust" in that "money" is only as good as the power of that lie.
Finance, with Gold, the new Fraud once the old Fraud Collapses.
Within the above TEXT I have already offered the connection between COMMON LAW GRAND JURY DUE PROCESS and LAWFUL MONEY.
Due process is due everyone without exception and since everyone is either victim to the fraud or a co-conspirator profiting from the fraud there will be very many victims who can focus all of their defensive power upon one criminal at a time during due process as due process proceeds according to the latest competitive advantage of an adaptive form of due process.
Based upon ancient tradition handed down from many generations and many cultures throughout human history, including ancient Greece, ancient Germany, ancient Iceland, ancient England, referred to in Magna Carte, referred to in The Bill of Rights attached to the Corporate National Constitution (the so called "Federal" Constitution of the so called "United States"), the latest version of due process, as common law grand jury due process, the many Jurists in the Jury pool in this country, those who volunteer to be in this Jury pool in this country, can elect 4 Administrators in each county, in each Constitutionally Limited Republic in this country, and each of those Administrators can sign a Declaration of Independence, and call for a meeting between named suspects, such as the current Federal Reserve Chairman, and the current Treasurer of the so called "United States," and politely ask those 2 members of that group of criminals if they would please vacate those criminal offices.
Here are a list of names of victims in the group of people who have had their earnings stolen.
My name is on that list, and the flow of my earnings is well documented on inculpatory pieces of evidence. Very few people who produce anything worth stealing in this country are not victims of this crime in progress so the list of names, added to my own, will be a large list of names. Anyone paying a Federal Income Tax payment, in Federal Reserve Notes, is potentially a victim.
The crime is well documented by the criminals themselves, as those criminals maintain very accurate records of precisely how much they steal from each victim.
The many Jurists in the Jury Pool of volunteers in each county, in each Constitutionally Limited Republic, back the many Common Law Grand Jury Administrators, as those many Administrators elect a number such as 25 Jurists to begin due process, including the polite request to hold a meeting with the 2 main suspects, those 2 main suspects named as the current office holders of the so called "Federal Reserve Chairman" and The Treasurer of the so called "United States."
Why would such a meeting not be televised?
Why would such a meeting not be Public Access, vital Public Access, information?
The 25 Jurists elected into the position to process this case ought to be well chosen by each Jurist in each county, and by each set of Administrators in each county.
The idea is not to become criminals.
The idea is not to assume that the so called "Federal Reserve Chairman" and The Treasurer of the so called "United State" are guilty of knowingly perpetrating a fraud upon all those people who produce anything worth stealing; those specific people named as victims of a specific, well documented, fraud.
The idea is to avoid unleashing "The Dogs of War" upon enemies of Liberty domestic.
The idea is to defend the victims from further harm.
The idea is to PROMISE those who are suspected of being guilty that there will be a Trial by Jury if those suspects do not vacate those criminal offices as they currently exist in that criminal form.
Now, please, know that the point at which all the defensive power of all the victims are not yet focused like a laser beam on those two suspects yet.
Federal Reserve Chairman (so called)
Treasurer of the so called United States (a subsidiary to The International Monetary FUND)
We the people have been duped since 1787.
"But Hamilton wanted to go farther than debt assumption. He believed a funded national debt would assist in establishing public credit. By funding national debt, Hamilton envisioned the Congress setting aside a portion of tax revenues to pay each year's interest without an annual appropriation. Redemption of the principal would be left to the government's discretion. At the time Hamilton gave his Report on Public Credit, the national debt was $80 million. Though such a large figure shocked many Republicans who saw debt as a menace to be avoided, Hamilton perceived debt's benefits. "In countries in which the national debt is properly funded, and the object of established confidence," explained Hamilton, "it assumes most of the purposes of money." Federal stock would be issued in exchange for state and national debt certificates, with interest on the stock running about 4.5 percent. To Republicans the debt proposals were heresy. The farmers and planters of the South, who were predominantly Republican, owed enormous sums to British creditors and thus had firsthand knowledge of the misery wrought by debt. Debt, as Hamilton himself noted, must be paid or credit is ruined. High levels of taxation, Republicans prognosticated, would be necessary just to pay the interest on the perpetual debt. Believing that this tax burden would fall on the yeoman farmers and eventually rise to European levels, Republicans opposed Hamilton's debt program.
"To help pay the interest on the debt, Hamilton convinced the Congress to pass an excise on whiskey. In Federalist N. 12, Hamilton noted that because "[t]he genius of the people will ill brook the inquisitive and peremptory spirit of excise law," such taxes would be little used by the national government. In power, the Secretary of the Treasury soon changed his mind and the tax on the production of whiskey rankled Americans living on the frontier. Cash was scarce in the West and the Frontiersmen used whiskey as an item of barter."
The criminals claim that the Good Faith and Credit of the American People is their property to spend so as to secure their property.
If you don't understand that sentence just offered, in English, then it may be a good idea to figure it out.
I hope I can help, and I hope that Greg555 is even more help.
|Posted: Mon Dec 30th, 2013 03:23 am||
|My hope is that this Forum entitled "The KEY ISSUE for a COMMON LAW GRAND JURY" will expose what really happened in this country between May 23, 1933 and June 5, 1933, and why it provides the KEY ISSUE for a COMMON LAW GRAND JURY to free our nation from the "Legalized Plunder" (see Bastiat's book by that name at: http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html) perpetrated by the "Elites" and funded by its "Victims", as Joe's post explains.
On May 23, 1933, Congressman Louis T. McFadden charged high officials in the Federal Reserve and in the US Government with theft and treason.
These charges were mitigated by US Congress passing Resolution HJR 192 on June 5, 1933, Public Law 73-10.
Do you know HOW?
HOW did the "Elites" manage to beat those charges?
Do you remember seeing the "Old-Woman Young-Lady drawing"?
Just Google that phrase above, or click http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/gifs/young3.jpg
Look at the drawing...
Which do YOU see first? The young or old lady?
But, then, after looking carefully, you see the other lady.
Well, this is exactly the same technique employed in HJR 192.
HJR 192 has TWO options in it.
BUT, HJR 192 was cleverly word-crafted so you only see one lady.... the "not required to pay" option.
You don't even know a second option is there... BUT it is... if you look carefully.
Read my post about this at David Merrill's forum at:
Right now we need to have LASER FOCUS on the "discharge upon payment" option.... the hidden lady.
The "discharge upon payment" option that was PROMISED in HJR 192.
If the Trustees (Congress and their agents/instrumentalities) violate that PROMISE, the people need to report incidents of that to a COMMON LAW GRAND JURY.
The KEY ISSUE is SLAVERY.
Compelled use of liability currency (FRNs) imposes involuntary servitude (SLAVERY) through perpetual indebtedness because a debt currency can never DISCHARGE a debt. It only DELAYS it, and also allows it to be "monetized" into more debt through fractional lending.
Compelled use of liability currency (FRNs) is also a direct violation of the terms and intent of the constructive trust known as HJR 192 which states that no provision can require a particular KIND of coin or currency as payment for obligations. Why isn't ASSET currency allowed to discharge obligations? Simple. Debtors are SLAVES to the Creditors. They don't want to lose their slaves.
This ASSET currency is OUR LABOR. THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
This is the true GOLD - our LABOR.
And while the people may not have LEGAL title to our LABOR currency because of our grant of same at birth as CREDIT to the United States, we certainly do have EQUITABLE title to it, by our holding of our birth certificates as evidence of that equitable title.
And we do have the RIGHT of SETOFF by operation of law if we wish to release some of that credit to discharge obligations when a situation of mutual indebtedness exists.
The only way "discharge upon payment" can occur is by such a SETOFF, using ASSET-LABOR currency.
In practice, this PAYMENT can only be done by PERFORMANCE, by our indorsing and returning bills so the Trustee can then MERGE our equitable title with his legal title to that ASSET-LABOR CURRENCY, and then to discharge the obligation that the US Tressury owes to the people (who granted/lent that labor to the US) via setoff, since only the Trustee has LEGAL title to the ASSET.
This brings me to cite Joe's 3 statements in his post:
1)They cannot buy anything if they no longer have Group 2 convinced of the need to use that Fraudulent Money Supply.
2)...the "trust" in that "money" is only as good as the power of that lie.
3)The criminals claim that the Good Faith and Credit of the American People is their property to spend so as to secure their property.
RE: #1 - YES, we can now begin indorsing and returning BILLS as the new form of money - the assignment/transfer to the US Treasury of the amount on the bill as it represents the amount of equitable title of our credit held in trust by the US Treasury.
RE: #2 - Once we see option #2 in HJR 192, we can use ASSET-LABOR CURRENCY by implementing "Equitable Title Transfers" in the form of indorsed bills as LAWFUL MONEY FULL DISCHARGE INSTRUMENTS. See more information at:
RE: #3 - Yes, it appears that the Trustees now think our labor is THEIR property.
Read this excerpt from "Legalized Plunder" entitled at:
Victims of Lawful Plunder
Men naturally rebel against the injustice of which they are victims. Thus, when plunder is organized by law for the profit of those who make the law, all the plundered classes try somehow to enter — by peaceful or revolutionary means — into the making of laws. According to their degree of enlightenment, these plundered classes may propose one of two entirely different purposes when they attempt to attain political power: Either they may wish to stop lawful plunder, or they may wish to share in it.
Woe to the nation when this latter purpose prevails among the mass victims of lawful plunder when they, in turn, seize the power to make laws! Until that happens, the few practice lawful plunder upon the many, a common practice where the right to participate in the making of law is limited to a few persons. But then, participation in the making of law becomes universal. And then, men seek to balance their conflicting interests by universal plunder. Instead of rooting out the injustices found in society, they make these injustices general. As soon as the plundered classes gain political power, they establish a system of reprisals against other classes. They do not abolish legal plunder. (This objective would demand more enlightenment than they possess.) Instead, they emulate their evil predecessors by participating in this legal plunder, even though it is against their own interests.
It is as if it were necessary, before a reign of justice appears, for everyone to suffer a cruel retribution — some for their evilness, and some for their lack of understanding.
Here are some examples of "legal plunber" today:
It is now OUR JOB to enlighten them that it is NOT their property. We are not CONSENTING SLAVES.
We have not KNOWINGLY relinquished our BIRTH-RIGHT.
We need to give NOTICE of OUR MISTAKE of not being viligant to prevent their MIS-TAKE.
We can do this by bringing this KEY ISSUE to a COMMON LAW GRAND JURY if they refuse to correct their MIS-TAKES after being properly NOTICED.
Perhaps a CLAIM would look like this:
For more supporting info for the CLAIM, see this folder:
Perhaps this example CLAIM will inspire further research and comments for our future discussions here on this forum.
Let others know this forum is available now, and may play a significant role in setting a VERY POWERFUL PRECEDENT in a COMMON LAW COURT OF RECORD that you can use to reclaim YOUR BIRTH-RIGHT in your county, and bring an end to the "LEGALIZED PLUNDER" in this country, and in the other common law based countries.
|Posted: Mon Dec 30th, 2013 04:44 am||
It took awhile for me to see the old woman.
Once the old woman can be seen it may not be possible to be willfully ignorant of the old woman.
Some people love the old woman; which is falsely viewed as a something for nothing process.
If you can, please, work out step by step what a potential, or current, common law grand jurist, volunteering to get into the pool (such as joining National Liberty Alliance and following the instructions), can begin to think about in terms of going step by step in rejecting the fraud money in favor of accurate, non-fraud, money.
Each potential jurist may already have their own axes to grind concerning specific criminals perpetrating specific crimes from specific oath bearing offices in government, so they are focusing their power in those diverse directions.
The thing about this specific crime is that this specific crime is unique to the moral people who constitute the moral solution. In other words, there may be a lot of potential common law grand jurists who are seeking to use the LEGAL PLUNDER process for personal gain, and those people won't be part of the moral solution.
Those who merely want to defend Liberty, which is the same thing as defending the innocent against the LEGAL PLUNDERING "CLASS," will be those who are going to have difficulty financing their own security against harm, let alone financing any help offered to any innocent victims who may be targeted for further LEGAL PLUNDER.
This fix here fixes both problems.
I cannot afford my own defense against the criminals who took over government.
I cannot afford to defend the innocent against the criminals who took over government.
Your explanation is probably much like most of my work with words: not easy to understand.
If I can't understand it specifically, and I do understand it principally, then someone having trouble with the principles of the LEGAL MONEY ISSUE may have even more trouble than me with the specifics.
I can't be of much help because I lost my job of 25 years as a Laborer in Construction. I can run loaders, bulldozers, cranes, cement mixer trucks, aggregate plants, crushers, shakers, and I can fix all of them; but as far as my working days are concerned I am now too old, and too sick, now on blood thinners, and a high risk in that occupation.
Now I write and help in my wife's work.
I do not have any Federal Reserve Note income myself. Had I known about the LEGAL MONEY ISSUE while I worked, then I could have taken the steps to get paid in LEGAL MONEY, instead of being paid, for more than 25 years in Legal Fraud Money.
I think it may be a good idea to also clarify the concept of long term investment in any case, and specifically in this case of LEGAL MONEY. This is not a get rich quick scheme, or a something for nothing investment.
As far as I understand this issue, so far, enough people insisting upon being paid in LEGAL MONEY instead of FRAUD MONEY made legal, ENDS THE FED.
Once THE FED ENDS, whereby the replacement is LEGAL MONEY (not THE FED FRAUD MONEY and not a replacement FRAUD MONEY), the defenders of Liberty will then incrementally regain their power over their earnings to a point whereby each earner can invest in their own defense, which includes the defense of the innocent.
In other words this specific fix ends the flow of power from each individual as that power flows into the one FUND, whereby that FUND is now The International Monetary FUND, denominated in Federal Reserve Notes.
This fix is not precisely the same fix as someone who simply stops paying any more false Federal Income Taxes, so there isn't (again if I understand this right) a sudden increase in Purchasing Power every month (no longer paying the extortion fee); however, the immediate benefits can be calculated precisely when considering the Tax of Inflation.
Again, please, I may not have this issue well understood yet, but I can offer a good link on McFadden for those who are unfamiliar with that specific individual.
We were opposed to the Aldrich plan for a central bank. The men who rule
the Democratic Party then promised the people that if they were returned to
power there would be no central bank established here while they held the
reigns of government. Thirteen months later that promise was broken, and the
Wilson administration, under the tutelage of those sinister Wall Street
figures who stood behind Colonel House, established here in our free Country
the worm-eaten monarchical institution of the "King's Bank" to control us
from the top downward, and from the cradle to the grave.
Willful Ignorance claimed to be an infection suffered by the apathetic is another fraud in progress. Just as you cannot accurately claim not to have seen the Old Woman in the drawing after you did see it, so no one can accurately claim that they didn't know that this country was taken over by the criminals because no one told them; after someone did tell them.
People may honestly forget that they are now slaves.
People may be self lobotomized.
For those not yet claiming claims that confess that they are reaching into the cookie jar there are specific things to be done by specific dates.
Which steps work best to reach which goals sooner?
EDIT: spelling on endorsing?
|Posted: Mon Dec 30th, 2013 09:38 pm||
|This is Doug (Doug555)...
Yes, it will be hard to understand... that is why I built my website at:
http://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/ and why it contains links to David Merrill's works.
David contrasts Public Money (Lawful Money) against Private Credit (FRNs).... not the terms you use.
Perhaps it would be best to watch David's video at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU6fxC5CXMg to get a basic understanding of the issue.
Then study this 1040-Help post compilation at:
Then this thread about filing the first 1040:
This post explains the 2 options in HJR 192:
Especially this post:
About "endorse"... I use "indorse" because it is technically more correct, and refers to instruments.
"Endorse" can refer to products...
The KEY ISSUE is SLAVERY, as implemented by compelled private credit.
It is United States Notes vs Federal Reserve Notes.
BOTH are LEGAL TENDER.
One is public money - the other is private credit.
Income tax is only a "usage fee" for using private credit.
The 1040 Form allows one to reduce/negate this usage fee if no private credit is used during the past tax year, by making your demand for Lawful Money for all transactions known on the record.
An "exception to hearsay" substantive record can be created by simply handwriting the phrase below on the FACE of all of checks and deposit slips that YOU issue, underneath your name & address lines:
lawful money and full discharge is demanded for all transactions 12 USC 411, 95a(2)
This is NOT theory. There is proof that it works, and has been working for a long time... for those brave enough to do it. David can confirm this, and is now developing a new Lesson Plan and website to promote this on a bigger scale at:
This is where people should go to really learn this technology.
This forum is more about HJR 192. Lawful Money is only 1/3 of the solution.
Lawful Money makes possible "discharge upon payment"... because private credit cannot be payment - it is a delay of payment.
HJR 192's "discharge upon payment" is the second 1/3.
Grand Jury enforcement of the other 2 is the final 1/3.
If we are never allowed to PAY our debts, we will be slaves forever.
This is why the KEY ISSUE is SLAVERY by compelled use of private credit. This crime occurs when an indorsed and returned bill is not honored by the United States Treasury per the terms of the HJR 192 Trust, namely "discharge upon payment" which can only be accomplished by an indorsement which authorizes the equitable title transfer of our ASSET-LABOR CREDIT amount stated on said bills which is held in trust by the Treasury.
I believe the above paragragh is what is NOT understood. It require basic knowledge about trusts, and merging titles. I recommend Gilberts Law Summaries to get those trust basics. And David's new lessons may help with that too.
|Posted: Tue Dec 31st, 2013 09:23 pm||
I would have replied to your latest response here had I not chosen to begin offering information at the new National Liberty Alliance Forum.
I found out that (so far) there is no edit feature to that Forum. I published errors that I prefer to edit out, but the general message may still be readable.
As far as what you have written here I can respond and I can get practice at working to make the connection more visible between Common Law Grand Jury Due Process and a return to Public Money.
I agree with the concept of more, and more, and more people sharing the same terms whereby the same definitions for those terms connect all those people thinking along the same lines.
Please excuse my ending this reply at this point at this time. I have not done other pressing things while I had been responding on the new NLA Forum.
While reading the response by Doug I stopped reading (So much of that information is foreign and difficult for me to read) and I returned to an old source of information because I am looking for a specific court case concerning a contention over the accurate measure of Legal Money (Public or Private?); but, while looking for that court case I stumbled on another point that may be worth bookmarking here:
At time: 42:40
From Carl Miller and from the reference sited are words documenting the hierarchy of dominant law in favor of common law.
American Jurisprudence Volume 16 Constitutional Law Section 97
16Am Jur 2d., Sec. 114:
“As to the construction, with reference to Common Law, an important cannon of construction is that constitutions must be construed to reference to the Common Law.” “ The Common Law, so permitted destruction of the abatement of nuisances by summary proceedings and is was never supposed that a constitutional provision was intended to interfere with this established principle and although there is no common law of the United States in a since of a national customary law as distinguished from the common law of England, adopted in the several states. In interpreting the Federal Constitution, recourse may still be had to the aid of the Common Law of England. It has been said that without reference to the common law, the language of the Federal Constitution could not be understood.”
Returning to Carl Miller
I have been searching for the case in which Carl Miller describes a controversy over the accurate measure of a legal unit of money. I have not found that yet.
I did find at time 37:21 in Part II Know Your Constitution the following:
U S v. CRUIKSHANK, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)
The people of the United States resident within any State are subject to two governments: one State, and the other National; but there need be no conflict between the two. The powers which one possesses, the other does not.
Why does that spark my interest?
How does that quote in that famous Supreme Court Case jive with this:
George Mason Virginia Ratifying Convention June 04, 1788
Mr. Chairman—Whether the Constitution be good or bad, the present clause clearly discovers, that it is a National Government, and no longer a confederation. I mean that clause which gives the first hint of the General Government laying direct taxes. The assumption of this power of laying direct taxes, does of itself, entirely change the confederation of the States into one consolidated Government. This power being at discretion, unconfined, and without any kind of controul, must carry every thing before it. The very idea of converting what was formerly confederation, to a consolidated Government, is totally subversive of every principle which has hitherto governed us. This power is calculated to annihilate totally the State Governments. Will the people of this great community submit to be individually taxed by two different and distinct powers? Will they suffer themselves to be doubly harrassed? These two concurrent powers cannot exist long together; the one will destroy the other: The General Government being paramount to, and in every respect more powerful than, the State governments, the latter must give way to the former.
Carl Miller Know Your Constitution Part 3
Michigan Compiled Laws Programing 21.153
No Federal Reserve Bank Notes (Federal Reserve Notes are not bank notes)
Here is what I was looking for at time 19:07
Montgomery Ward versus Eugene Glascher 82-002087 Judge James P Sheehy
Judge James P. Sheehy made a legal determination that the substance of the money of the account of the United States Government was coffee beans. Defendant agreed to judgment and paid judgment in the amount of 1,148 coffee beans. Montgomery Ward v. Glaysher, 82-002087 (52nd District Court of Michigan, October 8, 1982)
That link is not the Court Case so finding the Court Case ought to be high on the list of things to do soon.
Dollars of what?
That question goes to the heart of the problem whereby the criminals take over what is moral government had the criminals not taken over government.
I can certainly see how someone like Carl Miller believes that he was following lawful orders in Cambodia during the so called Vietnam War. The misdirection has to do with who stole moral government, when they did it, how they did it, who was handed that power since the original crime, and what all of those criminals were willing to do to keep their power, and what all those criminals actually did do, and to which innocent victims, so as to keep their power to steal ALL the power and use ALL the power to steal more.
Here is the original USURPATION:
I will continue this at a later date, and I will move this onto other sites.
Before going for a break, I think it is very important to restate the problem:
Dollars of what?
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